I only used it one time. It seems to be a good combo.
the gains are real as I have started feeling and seeing the effects and only on day 7 so expecting a wonderful fulfilled cycle. body much tighter and muscles feeling a bit fuller, strength up the roof. Awesome ecpectation from this very strong combination.
This is a great compound for someone who wants to take training to the next level. The price is amazing too given you get to try different supplements in a pre made stack.